About this conversation
In this conversation with Ken Wilber, we explore whether radical wholeness could provide the foundation for a Third Attractor. Ken argues that the fragmentation and polarization we see in the world can only be addressed through a genuinely integral approach that includes the many dimensions of human life and development.
We speak about how Integral Theory can move from a framework into lived practice, the importance of education, developmental stages, and the relationship between waking up and growing up. We also explore Being and Becoming, Eros as the evolutionary impulse, and what it might mean to become a more whole human being.
A significant part of our conversation turns to AI. Ken shares his conviction that AI will play an increasingly important role in our future and argues for bringing an integral, holistic perspective into its development.
Ultimately, his message for the Third Attractor is surprisingly simple: move towards wholeness. Learn to wake up, grow up, open up, clean up and show up, and begin applying these different dimensions of wholeness in our own lives and in the systems we create.





