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Benjamin De Pauw

Purpose designed Media

The Story Weavers

Can media be redesigned to support flourishing? We explore the metacrisis as a story, rapidly emergent transpersonal intelligence, narrative, theater, learning and play as universal modalities, small group units, public power, and avoiding social media's mistakes.

02:44 Meaning of third attractor 05:04 Co-created or emergent 24:01 Inner development and spirit 26:22 Hope and optimism 28:52 Shared values and worldviews 38:36 Stories, myth and art 40:48 Education and next generations 42:36 Biggest obstacles 47:48 What must happen 49:32 Systems and governance 54:32 Communities, prototypes, scaling 65:04 Vision of the future world 67:55 Closing reflections 68:55 Role of AI

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Can a Third Attractor be co-created, or can it only be allowed to emerge?

In this conversation, Elizabeth Debold explores the qualities that may matter most in times like these: humility and availability. She traces how love has changed through history, from Christian agape to romantic love, and what that tells us about the further evolution of human relationship.

We talk about background practices that shape us without our noticing, and about “interbeing” groups whose way of being together can spread by contagion rather than persuasion. Elizabeth also speaks clearly about the risks of AI companions, and about education for the next generations.

A rich conversation about human potential, love, and what we allow to change us.

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