About this conversation
In this conversation with Jennifer Garvey Berger, we explore what it takes to remain open, creative and capable of action in a world of increasing complexity.
Jennifer explains how our nervous system tends to respond to uncertainty by contracting, simplifying and falling back on familiar patterns. Yet the challenges we face require almost the opposite: the capacity to hold complexity, settle our reactivity, listen more deeply and take the next step without knowing exactly where it will lead.
We speak about leadership, adult development, spiritual practice, the importance of relationships and feedback, and why good leadership still matters. We also explore AI, its impact on human relationships and leadership, and the deeper question it raises: what is uniquely human when machines can increasingly do what we once thought only humans could do?
Ultimately, this is a conversation about agency. We may not be able to design the Third Attractor, but each of us can experiment, grow our capacity, strengthen our relationships and take small steps towards the future we want to make possible.




