Said Dawlabani on Second Sapiens and the Great Shift

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How can higher education prepare people for a regenerative society? We explore head, heart and body pedagogy, six doors of the Great Transition Handbook, virtue ethics, rupture, reform and interstitial strategies, a relational capability index, and hope amid polarization.

02:37 Meaning of third attractor 04:45 Education and next generations 11:36 Stories, myth and art 12:37 Inner development and spirit 38:27 Communities, prototypes, scaling 40:39 What must happen 41:45 Systems and governance 43:07 Co-created or emergent 44:41 Biggest obstacles 51:28 Shared values and worldviews 53:52 Hope and optimism 59:41 Closing reflections

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What does it take to respond when the planet’s systems are already in collapse?

In this conversation, Said Dawlabani looks at our moment through the lens of Spiral Dynamics and what he calls turquoise science. We talk about planetary boundaries that have already been crossed, and about why the West owes sustainable technology to developing countries.

We also explore the role of AI, the biggest obstacles to change, and how communities and prototypes could scale into something larger. Said speaks about shared values across worldviews, governance, inner development, and education for the next generations.

A grounded conversation about responsibility, and about how each of us can widen our circle of influence.

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