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Violeta Bulc spent years inside the machinery of governance, as Slovenia’s EU Commissioner for transport and mobility, before turning to a sharper question: whether humanity can learn from the one system that has held balance over long stretches of time, which is nature itself. In this conversation she shares what the Eco-Civilization movement has learned across 52 countries and seven years of dialogue, where leadership flattens into networks, where narratives are allowed to emerge rather than be imposed, and where the measure of an organization shifts from profit toward systemic vitality and life-positive impact. She makes a concrete case for participatory budgeting, residents’ parliaments selected by lottery, and participatory modeling as the first lever worth pulling, and she holds the tension between emergence and agency not as a problem to solve but as a balance both sides must respect.

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